tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post7031068112618901643..comments2024-03-09T02:39:40.253-08:00Comments on Hallucinations!: Bangles for Sachin.Shruthihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-27917874631880791222007-04-07T03:15:00.000-07:002007-04-07T03:15:00.000-07:00It is not only rural or poor women who get exploit...It is not only rural or poor women who get exploited. Have you seen "Kamla" starring Deepti Naval and Shabana Azmi (long ago)---it is based on a real report that one can buy women, and a reporter actually does so, as a scoop. Deepti is that tribal woman. Shabana is the reporter's wife, educated, articulate, assured. Yet, at the end of the movie, she realises that she has been no less exploited. Really thought provoking movie, Do try to get the DVD and see it.LAKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04584119653341159330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-32125675244095021742007-04-03T06:33:00.000-07:002007-04-03T06:33:00.000-07:00I like the way you put your strong points of view ...I like the way you put your strong points of view across... decently, yet forcefully!<BR/>You've been blogrolled:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-72066547023607150732007-04-02T09:29:00.000-07:002007-04-02T09:29:00.000-07:00Usha, hmm, yes.Sachin, exactly!! Yes, I did read ...<B>Usha</B>, hmm, yes.<BR/><BR/><B>Sachin</B>, exactly!! Yes, I did read your friend's views on your blog - thought-provoking.<BR/><BR/><B>Vijay</B>, ha ha! Poor fellow :)Shruthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-22997503942376011352007-04-02T00:08:00.000-07:002007-04-02T00:08:00.000-07:00Shruthi:I agree that a lot of it is self inflicted...Shruthi:I agree that a lot of it is self inflicted but we do nothing to change it...<BR/><BR/>I agree wuth what Adi (Mysorean) has to say (though I had to read it a few times to understand .. just kidding)...<BR/><BR/>Me personally.. not a day goes by where my wife doesnt look at my son and says "I wish he were a girl..."... Its not a very popular statement with my son though :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-65759784494870334522007-04-02T00:04:00.000-07:002007-04-02T00:04:00.000-07:00I seriously wonder whats wrong even with "choodiya...I seriously wonder whats wrong even with "choodiyaan pehan na". I mean, why are even the women trying to use it as an insult. From what I know of women who wear "choodiyaan" in the context of where it originated from, they had a tough job going themselves, taking care of their homestead, rising even before the sun rose, getting everything ready for her loved ones long before they woke up, and even after finding enough chores to keep her busy till the end of day. Not much different from a higher-than-average professional's (note i said "professional" and not guy or girl) typical work day, in fact maybe even more exhausting, demanding and tiring. And imagine, doing this everyday, even on the weekends?<BR/><BR/>Must be a poor set of women who created the Sachin fracas in Patna - women who don't even realize that just "wearing bangles" does not signify being better or worse than women. That the "women" angle is a total non-issue here....that even the Sikh kada is a bangle after all, and there it means something totally different from what they're trying to convey....<BR/><BR/>And I don't even want to comment on the fact that they also seem to be saying that its after all something bad, something inferior in being a woman, in wearing bangles.<BR/><BR/>To veer off towards another related topic (Indian cricket, that is), Greg Chappell gave an interview to Mumbai Mirror. This was an explosive one, one that may make all Indian fans kill him for his words but I have to admit, if we take away the swearing and the sarcasm and the blatant anger he has projected, he is correct on most counts. A friend of mine wrote a letter to CNN IBN which obviously has not seen light of day but I have reproduced it on my blog as Another Point of View. Its his point of view and very insightful at that.<BR/><BR/>Shruthi, this one was short but hard hitting!! Cheers!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-33895705564636379142007-04-01T22:33:00.000-07:002007-04-01T22:33:00.000-07:00very sad - true many times we follow custom witho...very sad - true many times we follow custom without analysing their meaning and end up insulting ourselves.Ushahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179239922869639391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-44499126149077411512007-04-01T21:02:00.000-07:002007-04-01T21:02:00.000-07:00S.B., I would prefer not to reply to your comment....<B>S.B.</B>, I would prefer not to reply to your comment. I don't want my BP to shoot up, ;) I don't think I can say anything to convince you if you really think like you do. <BR/><BR/><B>Maverick</B>, that's an entirely different issue altogether.... I would have talked about this even if this form of protest was used for something else.<BR/><BR/><B>Praneshachar</B>, and I say, just like superstitions, we should aim to find out why such and such a thing is done, and then reject it if it doesn't gel with our present understanding of the world.Shruthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-48417966988385359112007-04-01T19:50:00.000-07:002007-04-01T19:50:00.000-07:00like supetsititions some practices are followed to...like supetsititions some practices are followed to show their anger like some gestures etc., we should not give too much importance to these things. the same guys/gals who did this will worship them when otherway it happens. it is a small section of people who do this.<BR/>shruthi do you do either of the things? no I think none of us we always analyse and accept the reality. fanatics only do all such things and we must ignore them in total instead of these discussion which are not worth. better we debate on something more useful to all of us <BR/>even though I though I will not put my comment but after going thro various views i though let me also put my view for everyone's consumption<BR/>bye and all the bestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-13008889361741941402007-04-01T19:21:00.000-07:002007-04-01T19:21:00.000-07:00Besides, demeaning themselves, what's so wrong wit...Besides, demeaning themselves, what's so wrong with them. I mean ok they lost, they did bad, but then its a game. I know people's sentiments are attached to the game so much tht they feel bad but over time im sure they'll fall in love with the team again.Maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04219040249650831112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-56232474384193217252007-04-01T13:01:00.000-07:002007-04-01T13:01:00.000-07:00i find nothing wrong with the gesture. i confess t...i find nothing wrong with the gesture. i confess that i am not a good debater, but surely women cannot match men in cricket or most physical skills.<BR/><BR/>[off topic]isn't that why most - if not all - sporting events are held separately for men and women - even chess has separate tournaments for men and women (this is one sport that i would, and i think feminists should, pick on - for equal playing ground; at least the polgar sisters did).<BR/><BR/>having said that, the protesters' point - in my opinion - was that even women could play cricket better than tendulkar (or that tendulkar played cricket as badly as a woman). what is wrong with saying that? if i say that even i can play cricket better than tendulkar or that tendulkar played cricket as badly as i would have, is it demeaning to me? i think not - do you?<BR/><BR/>- s.b.<BR/><BR/>p.s.: [off topic] all said and done, i really admire jhulan goswami's bowling action (as smooth as holding's, if you want to ask me - what a contrast to malinga!), and seriously think that agarkar needs to take coaching from her!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-31524316041180183082007-04-01T01:30:00.000-07:002007-04-01T01:30:00.000-07:00Suyog, ha ha! Apparently! :)Viky, ha, you are rig...<B>Suyog</B>, ha ha! Apparently! :)<BR/><BR/><B>Viky</B>, ha, you are right about that kind of mob mentality ;) And seriously, I do hope that you are right about those women not realizing what they were doing!<BR/><BR/><B>me^^</B>, "his". thanks :)<BR/><BR/><B>Bit Hawk</B>, hm. Different issue altogether!Shruthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-61332288377156830292007-03-31T23:27:00.000-07:002007-03-31T23:27:00.000-07:00I think there are two categories of women who insu...I think there are two categories of women who insult women - one, the bangle-protesters and two, those who try to be exactly like men in the name of "equality". <BR/><BR/>I just remembered that Timothy Leary quote I had read some time back - "Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition"!Bit Hawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03212513393219146763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-58605703433974493002007-03-31T22:53:00.000-07:002007-03-31T22:53:00.000-07:00I JUST want to say I LOVED reading Mysorean's thou...I JUST want to say I LOVED reading Mysorean's thoughts on the issue. I was JUST going to type out a response to your blog, but I read his/her comment, and realized I couldn't have said it better. Bravissimo! :)me ^^https://www.blogger.com/profile/13163207339073906395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-89552168378237402832007-03-31T10:57:00.000-07:002007-03-31T10:57:00.000-07:00Don't worry about it - that lasts just until the s...Don't worry about it - that lasts just until the sun sets.<BR/><BR/>Tomorrow is another day, and should India win another match - these same people keep the whole team on their head. Ads will again be aired and all will be well.<BR/><BR/>Women showing bangles is just another way of bringing out their outrage - like garlanding them with footwear - I doubt even one woman there had stopped to think at all that they are doing something which demeans them womenfolk. <BR/><BR/>When there is a mob like that, which is more often than not politically funded in the background, no one cares about how it looks on the bigger picture - all they care about is a news channel carried "Auraton ne pehnai Sachin ko choodiyan - dekhiye break ke baad!!!" on primetime.Vikyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02978805643059765569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-88272989127796357582007-03-31T08:01:00.000-07:002007-03-31T08:01:00.000-07:00I did! That was my first reaction when I saw the p...I did! That was my first reaction when I saw the pic 2 days back. It is after reading your take on it, that I saw it in a different light.... mars and venus eh? hehe!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-82947459490426677832007-03-31T07:21:00.000-07:002007-03-31T07:21:00.000-07:00Mysorean, yes, it will take ages to get out of tha...<B>Mysorean</B>, yes, it will take ages to get out of that mindset. And yes, I got your point :)<BR/><BR/><B>Veena</B>, yeah, even if that is the interpretation, then that is wrong too. We all know how difficult it is to run a home efficiently and bring up children to become responsible human beings. That is the more difficult task, really! :)<BR/><BR/><B>Supremus</B>, that is wishful thinking, isn't it? :) You wish that this is the interpretation. But tell me, do you really believe it? :)Shruthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-79389960580284778682007-03-31T07:00:00.000-07:002007-03-31T07:00:00.000-07:00Look at this way: Maybe the women are telling Sach...Look at this way: Maybe the women are telling Sachin that given a chance, even with their bangles and all, they could still do a better job than what Sachin can do.<BR/><BR/>And given Sachin's form, not just women, I think even 2 year old kids could probably hold up their small socks in front of Sachin to convey the same feeling.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I didnt necessarily see anything wrong in the pic - what I saw was women telling Sachin that even though he was a physically stronger player (probably), they could still beat him (meaning he sucks that bad).<BR/><BR/><BR/>SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-77368341372503801282007-03-31T06:55:00.000-07:002007-03-31T06:55:00.000-07:00Shruthi, May be this is a way to say sachin that w...Shruthi, May be this is a way to say sachin that wear bangles & sit at home.. Generally that was what most of the females used to do in older days & earning money was considered as a contribution to the family.<BR/>Well on the lighter note, I recently observe that guys are becoming more passionate about these girlish things, bangles, long hair, hearings & what not :-)<BR/>About sachin, he played really well till some years back & this time it was bad, he shuld have gracefully retired before his fans insisted him too...!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-77363646377180893912007-03-31T01:38:00.000-07:002007-03-31T01:38:00.000-07:00This bangles stuff is age-old Shruthi. The urban w...This bangles stuff is age-old Shruthi. The urban woman might have come to grips with the present situation and how opressed she was all these centuries. Sadly, a major part of our coutnry is still under the same thing that you don't quite like. It is still a male-dominated society. It is going to take generations of such voices like yours to actually change the way the society is structured. It's a pitiable state of affairs but that's how it is. <BR/>If you go over to the rural parts (which I am sure you have) you will notice that women still are restricted or confined to certain tasks labeled "for women". If it had ended with that atleat it would be fine, but the problem is that a tag is added to it saying "for women <I>only</I>". Now as long as there is a gender-based division of tasks to be done in the society there is always going to be a difference in the way these tasks are looked at. <BR/>I don't understand "big" issues and "small" issues. My small brain cannot really look at it at that level. I see that women have been put down in this society for various reasons and as long as women themselves are a part of the problem, there is going to be no end to this. <BR/>It begins right from our homes. I have recently heard a mother say this about her daughter's decision to pursue GRE, "When guys come looking for girls for marriage, there is a certain hesitation in saying "yes" to a girl who has been in the US!". I told her as quickly as I could, "Then those are the guys who should be immediately said rejected without a second thought!"<BR/>I am looking forward to the birth of my own child and I haven't found out the gender on purpose. It doesn't matter to me. Girl or boy, a child is a child. A male cousin of mine remarked, "Kharchu jaasti kano hudugi aadre". Though he added a few smiles that were supposed to mean that he didn't <I>really</I> mean it, the people there were quite shocked with his statement. That I didn't kick him was his good fortune and also because he was born a few years earlier to me. <BR/>Anyways the point is, while at one end I have seen that women find it fashionable to sound "feminist", there is the other end where (like that mother I just referred to) women just go on looking at themselves in such a demeaning tone that you know that there is a future where these things will even out and there will be no distinction between men and women.<BR/>Sorry if this doesn't make coherent sense because of the length. But I am sure I have a point!;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-17302551320332335972007-03-30T22:10:00.000-07:002007-03-30T22:10:00.000-07:00Dharmabum, there are always "bigger" issues, aren'...<B>Dharmabum</B>, there are always "bigger" issues, aren't there? Anyway I will just let you big people make noise on those big issues. If not, who will protest against the "small" issues? <BR/>And personally, I feel that this is a very big issue - the root of many problems in our society. Anyway let that be.<BR/>Women and men are definitely both at fault for putting women down - and the question I ask is - why?Shruthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-92141402251868205022007-03-30T22:01:00.000-07:002007-03-30T22:01:00.000-07:00although i think there are bigger issues to be dea...although i think there are bigger issues to be dealt with, i still couldn't help stopping and stating my opinion - i've always felt, and strongly so that in most cases (atleast in our society) it is the women that themselves demean their flock. it is quite easy to blame the men folk, btu it will not result in a lasting solution.dharmabumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198727554870311298noreply@blogger.com