tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post276051958366041531..comments2024-03-09T02:39:40.253-08:00Comments on Hallucinations!: On surnames.Shruthihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-60149335417512877502008-06-19T00:28:00.000-07:002008-06-19T00:28:00.000-07:00Is not it better if we do not use a surname at all...Is not it better if we do not use a surname at all. Though here you are talking of confusion,I have seen discrimination by the name of surname. Read my views at http://www.pledgebank.com/altriuist<BR/>And if you support my views, please sign the pledge and join hands with me.Bagdevi Mishrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675610691236881922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-5493974616620398722008-01-21T05:16:00.000-08:002008-01-21T05:16:00.000-08:00Shruthi, engidiya?Gud article! I never like the id...Shruthi, engidiya?<BR/>Gud article! <BR/>I never like the idea of changing surname after marriage. I think I will lose my identity if I do that. <BR/>ciao,<BR/>vUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08610258138655580626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-1282582414586171622008-01-10T23:02:00.000-08:002008-01-10T23:02:00.000-08:00Hi Shruthi, Happy New Year to you. This was intere...Hi Shruthi, <BR/>Happy New Year to you. This was interesting post with interesting coments. I never went to the hassle of changing my name and my in-laws and husband understood it very well. I am still with my maiden name ;)Lakshmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954537572297159735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-74957939597167505352008-01-09T10:51:00.000-08:002008-01-09T10:51:00.000-08:00I just dont like this Surname business....esp with...I just dont like this Surname business....esp with some South Indias names where we expand our intials and all of a sudden father's name will become surname and wife will have to take f-i-l's name as surname!! my wife's name is one such which has two different words and we decided to leave it like that and use second word as surname in Passport ,Visa etc....its one hell of a task to change Passport/Visa and other docs just 'cause of getting married...<BR/><BR/>--Ananth!! [ yeah i know...its been quite long ]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-36939849375683574672008-01-08T10:49:00.000-08:002008-01-08T10:49:00.000-08:00Professor,Very interesting posts and the examples ...Professor,<BR/>Very interesting posts and the examples too. I had no worries about this surnames etc., before I filled up forms or got my passport. My complete name has my dad's village name(his native) and my dad's name with my first name(of course they were initials). I was totally into confustion to make out which was my middle name, which was my last name etc., Finally followed a pattern throughout :-)<BR/>Females sharing their husband's surname(which may be his father's name) may be because in foriegn countries viz.,US, all family members should have(infact has) same surnames!<BR/>In India, many people think that last name is by default husband's name, I remember once somebody had asked me what does Mr. Shivanna do? they infact intended to know about prashanth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-37275856737256587882008-01-08T09:36:00.000-08:002008-01-08T09:36:00.000-08:00Wanted to add that because of this the three membe...Wanted to add that because of this the three members in our family have all different last names and people abroad look at us funny, as if we are not a family :)Sunita Venkatachalamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02999860004277224419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-5757804640770191222008-01-08T09:32:00.000-08:002008-01-08T09:32:00.000-08:00I have thought often about this too, what we did f...I have thought often about this too, what we did for our little one was to adopt the Gothra name as her last name. <BR/><BR/>And yes, I have not changed my surname either. It's not a feminist move, just a practical one. It's way too much hassle to change the surname in every other document right from banks to passport. Especially for someone as organizationally challenged as I am :)Sunita Venkatachalamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02999860004277224419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-85228667609731137132008-01-07T20:29:00.000-08:002008-01-07T20:29:00.000-08:00Oh1 Ask me, Living in N.India with father's initia...Oh1 Ask me, Living in N.India with father's initialswas such a problem. We had top government functionaries look down on us when we mentioned we didnt have a surname, and we had to explain we belong to a family but we have initials. <BR/><BR/>I am still K Chitra, but my son being born in U.P. the Municipal commission, themselves added his father's name as his surname. I did think of adding my husban's name as my surname, but his name is a caste in Punjabi. People thought I am married to a Punjabi and i would have had to explain the entire naming procedure. So, I retained my maiden name.chitrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09293611127565847330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-51219470644969704072008-01-07T08:29:00.000-08:002008-01-07T08:29:00.000-08:00Anon at 12 34, heh heh :D kadalabal, yes, interes...<B>Anon at 12 34</B>, heh heh :D <BR/><BR/><B>kadalabal</B>, yes, interesting examples.<BR/><BR/><B>Rajk</B>, it IS catching on, isn't it? Quite a convenient thing, maybe? <BR/><BR/><B>Jayashree atthe</B>, oh yes, yes, I have thought about that - it will definitely be a problem. Of course, unless the couple decide on an entirely different surname altogether. Like i said, the problems are endless..<BR/><BR/><B>Deepak</B>, Ha ha :D <BR/><BR/><B>Anoop</B>, oops, I have read neither of those books. I intend to do so someday. Yes, the south indian tradition of initials does have some merit, but it doesn't really fit in when you need to fill forms for example :D :D<BR/><BR/><B>Vivek</B>, LOL! That sure is funny!<BR/><BR/><B>Viky</B>, You! You! :D<BR/><BR/><B>Abhipraya</B>, ah just what I wanted to know.. thanks!<BR/><BR/><B>Wunderyearz</B>, whoa! <BR/><BR/><B>Anon at 2 12</B>, hey that is very interesting.. thanks so much for this tidbit. <BR/><BR/><B>Srikanth</B>, thanks! Heh heh.. Mr Murphy indeed! And, yes, I do know of this keeping grandfather's name.. but are they actually still following it? cool :D<BR/><BR/><B>Usha</B>, attagirl! :DShruthihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00635222842257175541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-84391191569999362482008-01-07T06:32:00.000-08:002008-01-07T06:32:00.000-08:00Interesting.I actually know a case where the daugh...Interesting.<BR/>I actually know a case where the daughter in law refused to attend a wedding when the invitation was made out for 'The Subramanyams'. You know it was the father in law's first name which was shared by the m-i-l and her husband as surname and she felt she was excluded!Ushahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179239922869639391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-13148620630885208972008-01-07T02:33:00.000-08:002008-01-07T02:33:00.000-08:00nice post. it reminds me of 2 incidents:# my full ...nice post. it reminds me of 2 incidents:<BR/><BR/># my full name is srikanth anantha murthy (srikanth is my name & anantha murthy is my father's name). When i was waiting for a flight at US some 10 years back, the public speaker was asking some Mr.Murphy to report at a help desk!<BR/>They had used the last part of my name (which is my father's surname)<BR/>and messed with it (t become a p - conveniently)<BR/><BR/># i had a colleague whose last name is his father's name and his first name is his grand father's name. so every generation the name just toggles. And this runs in their family & has been for ages. quite obviously the the two names look pretty old and 19th centuryish now but is still cool.<BR/><BR/>btw, I reached ur blog thru viky's <BR/>and love your posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-67959137593327210712008-01-07T00:32:00.000-08:002008-01-07T00:32:00.000-08:00This reminds of an interesting fact I came across ...This reminds of an interesting fact I came across in a book I read recently (Left to tell by Immaculee Ilibagiza). In her own words...<BR/><BR/>In Rwanda, every family member has a different last name. Parents give each child a unique surname at birth, one that reflects the feelings of the mother or the father at the moment they first lay their eyes on their new baby. In Kinyarwanda, the native language of Rwanda, my name (Illibagiza)means "shining and beautiful in body and mind"<BR/><BR/>Is'nt it interesting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-32818719434550625792008-01-06T22:07:00.000-08:002008-01-06T22:07:00.000-08:00A never ending discussion...My aunt whose son work...A never ending discussion...<BR/><BR/>My aunt whose son worked for the army was once invited to a kitty party hosted by her son's boss's wife.She was in for a rude shock that none of the ladies addressed each other by their first names but by their husband's names.<BR/>When she was asked her name and she said her first name and the ladies went on to ask her " No tell us your husbands name,cause thats how you should be known after your marriage"<BR/>My aunt just went mad at this and just wanted to get out of that place at the earliest.....Wunderyearzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10454101229699469074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-23391790625924085102008-01-06T03:02:00.000-08:002008-01-06T03:02:00.000-08:00http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepika_PadukoneCheck...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepika_Padukone<BR/><BR/>Check out the Early Career section... Its confusing as to who they are referring to!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-21554453756371517872008-01-05T20:05:00.000-08:002008-01-05T20:05:00.000-08:00I will not elaborate on the use of surnames like m...I will not elaborate on the use of surnames like many here are already saying it is an endless debate :)<BR/><BR/>But I would like to explain something about the usage in reports. The usage of second name is common but now women journalists are trying to change that and there is much debate on whether we should just say Nirupama or Ms Nirupama.Abhiprayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10392758058854056981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-2443005994651136722008-01-05T04:49:00.000-08:002008-01-05T04:49:00.000-08:00ROFLing at Vivek's comment above. Usage of the rig...ROFLing at Vivek's comment above. <BR/><BR/>Usage of the right word as the surname can take you places. Like Vivek said, one can become the hunk of his place by becoming Mr.Doddakere. He also has the power of extrapolating his likes and dislikes to the whole of his region - <BR/>"Doddakere likes dogs". Let's see the municipality catch a dog in Doddakere!!<BR/>"When in tension, Doddakere smokes". ITC, are you listening??<BR/>Or consider "Doddakere almost drowned while swimming in the lake". The whole of the town in one lake, and still drowned? Some big lake, eh!<BR/>"Doddakere flies to America for a seminar" :DVikyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02978805643059765569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-38912127592155903262008-01-04T23:28:00.000-08:002008-01-04T23:28:00.000-08:00on a funny side..have a friend who has bangalore a...on a funny side..have a friend who has bangalore attached as the surname. So at airports he gets announced as "Mr.Bangalore could you please come upto the counter.." or something similar. Seems like he has won some pageant contest but then..Vivekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05990955849906577645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-20715189614449076162008-01-04T20:51:00.000-08:002008-01-04T20:51:00.000-08:00I could have tried to answer why a child should bo...I could have tried to answer why a child should borrow its fathers surname/name rather than its mothers, but when S.L.Bhyrappa has done it so beautifully in his magnum opus - "Parva" and to a lesser extent in his other novel "vamsha-vruksha", I'm afraid I may not do sufficient justice to his line of thought. In "Parva", he repeatedly dwells into this matter in different cases. Also, the reason for the epic-war , he elucidates, is a result of questioning the pancha-pandavas right to the throne, as they are not born of their father.<BR/><BR/>'why a husband should not take his wife's name after marriage', I have no answer, and I don't support either case. I also doubt whether this tradition is completely Indian, it may have been borrowed from the west.<BR/><BR/>And about all the confusion about surnames, first names etc : I remember that Indians, from ages, were used to having their surname first (traditionally used for the family name/birth place), then their middle name (for fathers name) and then their first name (individuals name) in the last. Again, here too, I would like to blame our aping of the western pattern of naming, which has led to much confusion. I was enrolled to school as H.A.Anoop (Hullenahalli Appaji Gowda Anoop), but by the time I reached High school my name morphed into its current form - Anoop.H.A. .anoophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11707469564505986944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-59233305309568372212008-01-04T20:30:00.000-08:002008-01-04T20:30:00.000-08:00Let me add another angle... first name middle name...Let me add another angle... first name middle name surname... I am Deepak Mohan Nadiger where deepak is me, Mohan my father and nadiger my surname, since people were torturing nadiger out of shape since they couldnt pronounce it in north india, forget abroad, I ended up dropping it in my official interaction, now people call me Mr.Mohan and i dont react to it... i am dying to hear someone call me by my own name :(Deepakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12769838715604150043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-64181266215630008482008-01-04T18:53:00.000-08:002008-01-04T18:53:00.000-08:00Some thoughts-Names I think are for convenience. I...Some thoughts-Names I think are for convenience. If a woman wants to keep her surname after marriage, fine but then what will be the surname of her children? Give them both? Fine, then what happens when they marry? Will they have four surnames? Say, Sahana X and Akshay Y's daughter, Shubha XY will marry Sameer MN and will their child be Sahithya XYMN?<BR/>A friend of mine became Elizabeth Ravikrishnan after marriage, when asked why she changed her name , told me that she would have hated to have different surnames from her kids, and she wouldn’t put her children through Rodriguez Ravikrishnan as their surname... imagine the practical problems![I mean the spelling etc]<BR/>As long as we understand that the names are for practical usage and there are many other ways to stamp our individuality in this world. Indira Gandhi was still who she was, her father's daughter.<BR/><BR/>All said and done, I guess it is the individual's choice.<BR/><BR/>-jayashree aththeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-57041943862641681192008-01-04T17:30:00.000-08:002008-01-04T17:30:00.000-08:00Oh, this is a never-ending discussion! BTW, even I...Oh, this is a never-ending discussion! BTW, even I like the trend of giving 2 names to kids...Two of my friends have done that...I sounds really good. And it is a good idea.rajkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473706252786535841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-81157029648622783042008-01-04T15:54:00.000-08:002008-01-04T15:54:00.000-08:00these surnames issue you have raised is very good ...these surnames issue you have raised is very good issues for discussion and I want to share<BR/>some interesting things happening here. If you go to north karnataka they have got a unique way for ex sbkatti here katti is the surname s shankar his name and b is bhaskar his fathers name. but usage is sbkatti and you go to his house and ask for katti or sb katti there may be more than one sbkatti like shruthi b katti, sangamesh b katti etc., etc., if you dont know the name the first name you are confused and your friend is not at home gone case.<BR/>In our side normally we have a different way as shruthi mentioned it is family name may be village or other for my name is k.praneshachar<BR/>k stands for kadalabal my ancestral village at least I have seen the place and we visit every year where all my k family will come.many keep this village identification have not seen and after generations it may become reduindant <BR/>here we are not taking fathers name at all but when i went to study at hubli my name was written in their records as praneshachar prahladachar kadalabal so much big and we are not used to it. I think our prctice of using surname as initial and your name followed by is one of the best as your name is given prominence as it should be.<BR/>now slowly people start adding one more initial father's name so it is ones likes and dislikes it is their convinience.<BR/>changing surname after marriage is purely a individuals choice but you may face problems with your certificates etc., which are different and your name after marriage is different it may create problems at times. <BR/>comment of anonymous shows another confusion which I say will not arise if you use like in our place say my name it is k.praneshachar<BR/>there is no distortion you are distinctly identified as yourself and no mistaken identities in any communication.<BR/>If you go to north east west surnames are followed and in east you can identify the caste or trade <BR/>good topic for lot of research and in most parts is is surname and in <BR/>east it identifies the caste as I know varied cultures varied practices and still we live together and this makes us proud. even in abroad there is this surname concept <BR/>some interesting surnames in north karnatka are kotambri, menasinakai, bellulli, bellad etc., apart from usual desai, kulkarni, katti etc.,<BR/>singer sangeetha katti has followed <BR/>unique way after marriage she has kept her original sangeetha katti and added kulkarni her husbands surname so she is kept her identity and also added new surname where she joined after marriage<BR/>praneshpraneshacharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09985671857461968536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11795715.post-36164083094238450212008-01-04T11:04:00.000-08:002008-01-04T11:04:00.000-08:00one of my team mate had name nagaraj kenchaia wher...one of my team mate had name nagaraj kenchaia where kenchaia was his father name. He was popularly known as kenchaia among team members. The real problem started when some one called on his land line on a sunday from office asked for kenchaia told him its an emergency and asked to come to office immediately only to have a rude shock when kenchaia the father had traveled half the bangalore to come to office when the jr.kenchaia was on a bike trip to simsha :)<BR/>believe it or not :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com